there’s no easy way to say this but
elves aren’t black
how to word that in a more literally
correct way or something that’s you know
sensitive to people’s feelings but it’s
just it’s true I’ve heard this right
yeah no Black Ops but in fantasy in
general because I’m not a huge lore
person for Lord of the Rings but I know
in fantasy in general we have dark elves
right dunmer and that’s a very standard
thing in fantasy that you have dark
elves
so seeing this is not in any way
surprising to me I don’t even think
about it like this is completely normal
I just think he’s a more of like a dark
elf kind of guy here it doesn’t bother
me that there’s diversity in this show
what does bother me is whether or not it
feels like it came from tolkien’s
writings right and he wrote Lord of the
Rings specifically for England
specifically he wanted them because they
had lost a lot of their mythologies
over the years and so he wanted to write
a mythology for them the Greeks had
their mythologies and the Romans had
theirs and he wanted to write like an
English mythology yeah yeah so you have
space in in Middle Earth for all sorts
of races but you know this is another
original character what what bothers me
I think more is is something that
bothers me actually with a lot of the
elves that we see in this show and
that’s the hairstyles they don’t look
Elven so the the Aesthetics I would say
it’s a yes it’s a little out of place
but I don’t have an issue with the
diversity in it I have an issue with it
doesn’t look like Tolkien it looks
generic fantasy right and where is this
guy getting his hair done like this is
not an easy haircut you just do with a
sword or something like how is he
hitting his right I mean how did how do
they cut their hair how is he getting
this way
but how is he getting this kind of a
short haircut on top I mean maybe he
like shaved his head in a week later you
know it’s grown up a little bit yeah
look how look how clean and tight this
is this is definitely like it’s very
clean it’s very clean like that’s why
elves generally they have longer hair or
it’s like tied back or something like I
would almost exclusively they have long
hair I wouldn’t have an issue if this
guy looked like Heimdall from
the Thor movies right
yeah specifically Thor Ragnarok where
he’s got those dreads and he’s got it
like tied back that would look really
cool and I would think that would look
Elven I think even the woods of the The
House of the Dragon they’ve got some
characters in there that are kind of
like fantasy and they’re they got some
black guys that have that kind of it’s
long hair but it’s in dreads and it’s
tied back and it looks better like it’s
just kind of warrior-esque it looks
fantasy this doesn’t look fantasy this
looks like a guy who’s cosplaying and
didn’t want to get a wig right right
and so I think the shot is cool him
catching the arrow and firing it I kind
of wish it was done in real time you
know I feel like the slow-mo’s a little
but yeah generally we’re gonna see that
we’re gonna see black black dwarf you
know uh the black dwarf Princess uh in
in photos and we’re gonna see a lot of
a lot of these storylines I hope they
don’t make anything about race like if
if it’s going to be about race that is
definitely token built
racial stories in here but they were
between literally different races of
being like yeah different species or
whatever you want to go yeah yeah
they’re between dwarves and elves
they’re between humans and elves they’re
you know there’s there’s a lot of uh
there’s a lot of those kinds of themes
but my my fear is that they’ll make it
into something the push him a modern
narrative into it which is something
Tolkien would not have wanted yeah I
have no issue with there being a diverse
cast I think that’s great
um as a as more of an after a more of a
casual fan but yeah I don’t want to see
a race thing because they did that like
you said between dwarves and that I feel
like that he was already touching on it
with those and told good stories because
like you said dwarves and elves they
don’t like each other uh normally but we
have Gimli and Legolas who developed a
friendship between races you know yeah
great story that’s a great storyline
yeah so hopefully we see that and
uh yeah I think politics always works
its way into these shows but I really
don’t want they shouldn’t though that’s
the point political thing to be a part
of the show and and there’s there’s some
there’s something else to uh I I will
say that this character’s involvement I
have concerns with it for from what I
understand about the story that they’re
using him with but it’s not for what
we’re talking about like we see these
editions and it’s just like they’re kind
of like warning signs for what we’ve
seen in shows before but I don’t think
that they’re going to be taking this
angle with this character I just want to
be very clear with that I don’t think
that’s it’s going to be a thing I would
prefer if they’re going to add a bunch
of diverse characters for them not even
to discuss for them to just pretend like
everyone is normal everyone view
everyone is normal and your race
relations should not be inside your own
you know like men shouldn’t be fighting
with other men about well they’re you
know this color and I’m that color like
I would rather it stay on the lines of
what Tolkien wrote which was that is
between these different elves and
dwarves and that’s where I would want it
to stay
yeah yeah I think we all agree on that I
think
um some fans are going to be much more
like oh Tolkien never had you know all
the albums were very very foreskin
blonde hair and some people will have an
issue with that based on you know the
the lore of the show but and I think a
lot of people are not going to care and
a lot of people are going to like that
and I think that’s okay that Amazon is
trying to Market toward a modern
audience
um and having a diverse cast I think
that’s fine but like you said don’t make
it a big deal about that just like act
like yeah like this is normal yeah I I
and I will say that you didn’t have to
make a diverse to Market it to a global
audience though people already like Lord
of the Rings before it was diverse
exactly and given that he he kind of
built this section of Middle Earth
at on a map like it was England and
France England and France and and that
part of Europe like and the fact that to
the South and to the east you had people
that looked like when you go south and
east from Europe right so and that’s
kind of how he built it so it was very
intentional so the fact that they’re
adding this in is just like another
thing like okay well you know I hope
that that doesn’t it’s just endangering
it like getting off track like we’re
gonna get off track away from tolkien’s
themes
and into some other territory this kind
of scary territory like The Wheel of
Time did this stuff where they changed a
bunch from the original from the book
and so they’re not even adapting a
Tolkien story necessarily it’s a lot of
original characters and that’s what kind
of concerns me yeah about this is where
are they going with this if they told
some random story in Middle Earth that
had nothing to do with what we already
know and exist in all these characters
and I would have a lot less thoughts
about it because it’s like all right
well this story’s never been told and I
guess this could have existed but I
think it must do bull strip the point
you just made Tolkien already wrote
about these characters these settings
these places these people everything he
already wrote about them we already have
uh kind of guide rails and and markers
for them and so it is it’s just
concerning that
um you’re I’m worried because I love
Lord of the Rings so I also love
tolkien’s writings like these were books
before they were movies you know Star
Wars started as a movie and then
everyone colored in everything else
after that these started as books and
then they were adapted so I really don’t
want
this to turn into the garbled mess that
Star Wars is because there’s a lot more
room with Star Wars because fans Timothy
Zahn wrote most of the Canon that I care
about after the original trilogy that
wasn’t George Lucas that was a different
dude but Tolkien already wrote all of
these books before movies ever came out
yeah that is a good point I wanted the
state of that for most people it won’t
matter but for you know the really big
fans it’s going to be a big deal and
that’s what’s yeah exactly right Amazon
knows most people aren’t going to care
and a lot of people are going to watch
this a lot of people who have only ever
seen the the uh Peter Jackson movies
never read a Lord of the Rings book in
their entire life and they’re gonna love
this but then there’s gonna be if they
go certain directions that it’s worrying
they might it’s going to upset a lot of
fans including me but we don’t know yet
like I said just conjunction
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